Theories as to who killed the Queen?

Posts: 29 Join date: 2010-06-17 Age: 16

OH! I was just re-reading Blood Promise and I came to the part when Nathan, the Strigoi, threatened Rose. And then I remebered what Nathan had said when he and Rose met for the first time. He claimed it was not the first time they had met...but Rose didn't remember him at all. Exclamation

That sounded fish, eh?

So, what was that about? Could he have been the illegitimate child? Or, the more likely theory, is he the killer of the Dragomirs??

What do you guys think??? Cool

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:44 am

sUrReAlwOrLd wrote:

The Queen killing herself?? Dude, she seemed like the kind who could pay somebody to kill for her. not kill herself. There's no motive, no ability to stab herself, and write a note to Rose saying that she needs to do something for her, giving it to Ambrose only if something "terrible" has happened to her??? Not to mention using Rose's stake would put suspicion on her, and Tatiana would ask for her help while she knows Rose's in jail???

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but this theory goes way over my head, but maybe that was your reaction to my theories as well. However, I do know it's what you think, and I would like to know more about it. Smile

Also, what is your opinion to these questions??

I think she planned her own murder. Someone else did the actually staking/killing but under the queens orders/requests. She's just too scheming to be a victim. Everything she does is for a purpose ( good or bad). If she was killed, it was down with her knowledge. It's the only way to explain things like the note passing. She had to know she was going to die. Someone murdering her is just too mundane. Just what i think.

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I think she planned her own murder. Someone else did the actually staking/killing but under the queens orders/requests. She's just too scheming to be a victim. Everything she does is for a purpose ( good or bad). If she was killed, it was down with her knowledge. It's the only way to explain things like the note passing. She had to know she was going to die. Someone murdering her is just too mundane. Just what i think.

Oh, but she did know something something was going to happen to her. it was mentioned in the note, and I quote "Rose, if you are reading this, then something terrible has happened." It's obvious she knows she was in danger, and wrote to Rose to be given by Ambrose to her only if something happened to her. She needed someone to complete that task, and she chose Rose.
Hmm...but it could be that something may have happened to her, like the someone blackmailing her and she did it herself. But, still, most probably no. Because of the questions i asked before, they still stand. No ability to so it. And Ambrose doing it seems like a tale of heart breaking romance. Not murder, and nothing related to Eric Dragomir either. I don't now, it still seems to easy a theory. Not to mention, if that is the case, Rose would probably never get out, since there would be no proof that she did it herself.

Posts: 9 Join date: 2010-06-24 Age: 16

I agree with sUrReAlwOrLd. Why would the queen kill herself but write the note beforehand? It just doesn't make sense in my opinion. I believe that the Queen was the one who hacked the Alchemist's files. I mean it would make perfect sense. Nobody would question that she as the one who did it. Plus, if she did know about what Eric Dragomir had done it probably would be motive for someone to kill her. Mabye someone who was close to Eric. Also i think the Queen took the files when Rose was in Las Vegas. Mabye she planned on Rose being suspected. And mabye it was someone who was at court and had access to all the rooms and knew about the relationship between Rose and the Queen and planned on setting up Rose. Because she would most likely be the most suspectable person for the Queen's murder. And they knew that if Rose was put up for discussion she wouldn't be able to defend herself.

I'm open to opinions.

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sUrReAlwOrLd wrote:

OH! I was just re-reading Blood Promise and I came to the part when Nathan, the Strigoi, threatened Rose. And then I remebered what Nathan had said when he and Rose met for the first time. He claimed it was not the first time they had met...but Rose didn't remember him at all. Exclamation

That sounded fish, eh?

So, what was that about? Could he have been the illegitimate child? Or, the more likely theory, is he the killer of the Dragomirs??

What do you guys think??? Cool

I remember something about that too. Except in blood promise the only thing that Nathan says is "She was at that school in Montana. . . . We fought. . . . " His lips curled back, showing his fangs. "I would have tasted her blood if that fire-using Moroi brat hadn't been aroung."

But in Shadow kiss that was when Nathan threatened her.
This is where it starts______________

"I know you."

The words startled me. In all this bloodshed, none of us, friend or foe, did much talking. The speaker was a Strigoi who looked to be my own age but was probably at least ten times older. He had shoulder-length blond hair and eyes whose color I couldn't make out. They were ringed in red, which was all that mattered.

My only answer was to swing out with my stake, but he dodged that. Christian was setting a couple of other Strigoi on fire, so I was handling this on my own.

"There's something strange about you now, but i still remeber. I saw you years ago, before i was awakened." Okay, not ten times my age, not if he'd seen me when he was a Moroi. I hoped his talking would distract him. He was actually pretty fast for a young Strigoi. "You were always with that Dragomir girl, the blonde." My foot hit him, and I jerked my kick back before he could grab me. He barely budged. "Her parents wanted you to her guardian, right? Before they were all killed?"

"I am her guardian," I grunted. My stake swiped dangerously close to him.

"She's still alive, then. . . . There were rumors that she'd died last year. . . ." There was a sense of wonder in his voice, which mised wierdly with the malice. "You have no idea what kind of reward I'd get to take down the last living Drag-- Ahh!"

he'd dodged my stake from hitting his chest again, but this time I managed an upward strike that dragged the stake's tip accross his face. It wouldn't kill him there, but the touch of a stake-- so filled with life-- would feel like acid to the undead. He screamed, but didn't slow his defeenses.

"I'll come back for you when I've finished with her," he snarled.

"You'll never get near her," I growled back.
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Now if Nathan had been a Damphir before he was turned Strigoi then he could've been the Dragomir's Guardian. If not then there is a possibility that that he could be the illegitimate child of Eric Dragomir. Or he could've been the one to help plan the car accident that killed Lissa's family.

Posts: 29 Join date: 2010-06-17 Age: 16

Yeah exactly...
But he won't be a guardian for the Dragomirs, because of the two reasons- first, Rose would recognize him if that were the case. She was close to them. Second, the guardians would have been under scrutiny, even if it was obvious that there was a car accident. There would have been gossip, they would have testified... And many other things. Not to mention, why would a guardian kill his own employers??? He must have been someone else's guardian... But oh! He is definately involved in the murder...of the Dragomirs.

Posts: 9 Join date: 2010-06-24 Age: 16

i completely agree. the question is in what way is he involved in there murder? Because he said that he knew rose long ago before he was turned. so he had to be connected in some way to the Dragomirs, right?

(You know i hate books like these yet i love them too.
I hate them because they leave such terrible cliffhangers. But i love them because the cliffhangers leave you to your own imagination.)

Posts: 29 Join date: 2010-06-17 Age: 16

He was paid to sabotage the car...by somebody, of course. But that's the question again-who??! And why???

Posts: 9 Join date: 2010-06-24 Age: 16

That's always the question who and why? Whoever did it had to be in league with the Strigoi because Nathan kept goin about how praised they would be if they killed the last living Dragomir.

But of course WHO

and WHY Question

Posts: 4 Join date: 2010-07-01 Age: 17 Location: N/A

i think tatiana asked ambrose to stake her.he got the files.tatiana knew the only way lissa would become queen was if tatiana was taken out of the picture.

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:10 pm

The killer is someone who wanted to get rid of both Rose and the queen. Maybe the key is what that fortune teller told Rose. She's been right before, hasn't she? What she told Dimitri came true and she also told Rose that she will be facing accusations and entrapment. She said Rose has an enemy, a woman, who is smart but there's a lot of hostility and deception there. That could be the person who set her up the queen's murder. But who is it? If there wasn't for this, I would support the theory of Ambrose being the murderer. But I think it's a woman and I also think Ambrose cared about the queen, he always defended her.

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:25 pm

Yes, I don't think Ambrose is the murderer. It just doesn't feel right. 'Cause I thought he loved/ cared about the queen. I think you're right that the key is what the fortune teller told Rose. I just think Rose have to realize this and try to talk to her again. But I have no idea who the murderer could be. 'Cause who hated both Rose and the queen?

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:32 pm

This is driving me crazy.
Who would want the queen dead? Someone who didn't agree with her decisions or someone who would have the opportunity to take her place. It could've been something more personal but I don't think that's likely.

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:36 pm

If I didn't think it was a woman I would have thought it was Victor because he always talked about how he should rule instead of the queen.

Subject: Re: Theories as to who killed the Queen? Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:42 pm

Nightchild wrote:

If I didn't think it was a woman I would have thought it was Victor because he always talked about how he should rule instead of the queen.

Yes, you've got a point there. But why would he do this to Rose? I don't think he has a strong motive in that area. And it's very unlikely that he'll have a chance at taking Tatiana's place anyway, as he is a criminal who escaped prison.

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